Ep058: Mainland Procrastination

Join Dean and Dan as they talk about their time out of Cloudlandia and procrastinating on the mainland.




Transcript: The Joy of Procrastination Ep058

Dean: Mr. Sullivan.

Dan: Mr. Jackson I beat you by 15, easily by 15 seconds.

Dean: Wow.

Dan: Easily 15 seconds.

Dean: Well. It's funny it's a race isn't it? Of all my podcast partners, you are the one that I have zero thought about whether it's going to occur or whether we need to remind or anything like that. I just show up, and I know with certain that my Mr. Sullivan is going to be greeted with a Mr. Jackson.

Dan: Even though you're responding to me as if I'm a real person instead of the new AI program I have.

Dean: Wait a second now. That's pretty funny.

Dan: Well humans really like technology because for the most part if it's not too complicated, technology it tends to have a reliability and predictability around it that we find pleasing. For example, we have heated driveways and heated front walks for the snow season. Quite frankly it's not been needed up until yesterday. Yesterday was the first time this winter that we've actually had snow. That could actually present a problem because we have a hill that you have to drive up on our driveway and it would be hard if we didn't have this. But the moment yesterday that the temperature was 32 degrees, that's one of the sensors and the other one it sensed wet. Immediately the heating goes on for pavements and in some cases we have parts of our garden. It's absolutely reliable. It's absolutely reliable. No snow accumulated. It snowed pretty well for 24 hours. I think we have completely dry. That's what I really, really like about dependable technology. It's set up to be useful when it needs to be useful.

I'm a big fan generally of electricity too. I know on Earth Day when everybody makes a big point about turning their lights off. I says, "Oh not me." I said, "First of all I'm thankful that Earth Day comes every year, because it reminds me to have electricity hour, you know they have Earth hour. What it reminds me of is to have Earth hour so every light in our houses, because we have more than one and all the outside lights go on and for an hour I just very peacefully in a meditative, prayerful state I just sit there and appreciate all those who have worked very, very hard over the time to build up the capability called very, very cheap, very reliable, very accessible electricity, I'm deeply appreciative of that, very grateful actually.

Dean: I love that. That's so funny. I had a wonderful experience today with technology. I think I shared with you the latest iteration of our Dial-Talk-Done podcast service that Paul released for me in Phoenix last week.

Dan: Siri triggered, Siri enabled, Who Not How.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: Not Who Not How, but it is a Who Not How.

Dean: Technology sometimes.

Dan: Who is technology, yes. Yes, you've been enjoying it even more this past week?

Dean: Oh I'll tell you what. I was driving from Winter Haven to Miami today. I'm in Miami right now. I had a three and a half hours in the car and I recorded three Thinking Out Loud podcast episodes just telling and capturing a lot of the examples and stories that I tell. I just love this capability right now that I can without any typing, without any need for opposable thumbs, I can just with my voice create a podcast and have it almost instantly get put up on iTunes. As I'm going I'm recording them and they're rocketing their way through Cloudlandia and landing up in iTunes on the podcast without any human intervention and with nothing but my voice, that's so beautiful.

Dan: Well I had a technology-human teamwork upgrade for myself this week. We've engaged with Ari Meisel's company to have trained Impact Filter facilitators and that was launched last May. It's been some of our Strategic Coach clients are using it, and some of them aren't. The ones that use it all say it's great. I said, "This is a bit like the biblical story of the children of Israel escaping from Egypt when they get to the Red Sea, the Red Sea parts, that's the standard story. But the inside story is it didn't happen until the first Israelite was in the water up to his nose." Then there was enough commitment demonstrated that the waters parted.

Dean: Wow.

Dan: I was thinking, I think what's holding some of the Strategic Coach entrepreneurs back from using Ari's service, they would like someone to help them with their Impact Filter, but it seems like a how to them to even do this activity. It would be a who, who would be helping them, but it seems to me like you're asking me to do a new how in order to take advantage of this who. I said, "Well they need a demonstration, so on Friday at about 3:00 I did my first session where I utilized one of Ari's facilitators to go through an Impact Filter and I hadn't pre-thought it at all. I wanted to be very honest about the test. It's a big use of a capability that we already have connected to Kindle and then connected to various landing sights which land ultimately to a 60 minute free webinar, a free webinar. Anyway, I hadn't thought through it, I had talked through it with Ben Hardy and Ben said that he had done this and it really works well.

Anyway, at the appointed hour, 3:00 I show up and I have a very, very skillful, very, very talented facilitator named Jo-Ann, trained by Ari, loves the Impact Filter and probably in 40 minutes walked me completely through the Impact Filter. Went back over it to make sure that she had the order right, she had the wording right. She had the measurements right and over the weekend it has been sent to me and it's beautiful. It's a beautiful Impact Filter. What I did, I did it on Zoom where I'm interacting so you can see me interacting with Jo-Ann and we recorded it. We're going to send it out to everybody and say, "This is Dan. This is Dan actually using the facilitator. To tell you the truth I'm never going to write another Impact Filter myself, from now on I've got a partner for me Impact Filter.

Dean: That's great.

Dan: I was so thrilled with it.

Dean: It's sometimes the thing to get somebody started is just to get somebody started. It sounds so simple, but I think a lot of times people might be thinking that I've got to do an Impact Filter to prepare for my Impact Filter. That's probably what's going on. If I think about it, that would be going through my mind. I think that might be a good idea. I think I should try it.

Dan: Well here's the thing, both of us if you had to choose which you would most want Dan or Dean involved with would it be the writing or would it be the talking?

Dean: Yes exactly.

Dan: We're both talkers. Our strong-suit is that we're talkers. I never in my life have I procrastinated when there was an opportunity to talk.

Dean: And you think quickly, as 10 Quick-Starts, we both think quickly. We're never at a shortage of what to say. You can point us in a direction, and we can gather our thoughts quickly and articulate them. You're right.

Dan: By writing off by myself I can get distracted. I can hit a low-energy bump, and I can say, "Hey, I'm going to go do something and there's the end of the project." When I'm a little bit tired that's when the most entertaining squirrels come to visit. One comes in and says, "I bet you've never seen a juggling squirrel before." I says, "Absolutely truthful, I've never seen, but I'd like to watch you for the next 10 minutes juggle rather than do the Impact Filter."

Dean: Oh that's so funny.

Dan: I've got a friend who's a three legged squirrel, wait until you see him. The big thing is I will do approximately if last year was any gauge by this, I will do about 80 Impact Filters that I know about between now and the end of 2019. I'm just going to put them in the schedule. I'm just going to put them in the schedule.

Dean: What are the…

Dan: To make it even truthful, Ari said that yours are free. I said, "No, they're not free because I want to play by the same rules as anyone else in Strategic Coach is going to do." We've got a deal, Ari gets all the money for them, but the capability, having that capability is priceless for me. I said to him, "I'll pay the going rate for it, but I'm just going to book it now for the rest of the year because I couldn't have done that Impact Filter on my own on Friday, but I could do it with the facilitator. I couldn't have done it as pleasurably, enjoyably as I did it on Friday with the facilitator. I wouldn't have come off the call with such a huge sense of energy about the possibility of having them all be that way." That's my little sales pitch today.

Dean: I love it. The funny thing is I feel kind of cool about that because that was results of a conversation that you and I had about how the idea of the Impact Filter-

Dan: You triggered it. You triggered it. You triggered it. I immediately, the next week after you told me I said, "I'm going to phone Ari, actually he was in for his workshop the next week and I mentioned it to him. He had the deal all set up within about three hours.

Dean: I love that. Now how do I get started with that? What's the process here? How does this work? Do you have to schedule it ahead of time?

Dan: You have to just send, they have a little on-ramp where you phone in and you put in the time when you'd like to do it. They have someone waiting for you when you want to do it.

Dean: Okay.

Dan: Then they send an email back and confirm who the person will be because he's got a team. She was terrific. I can't say enough about her perception and one of the things about Ari's people, they're all project managers. They're used to taking projects and making them real and getting the right people involved. They have a generally context of project planning, but they have this special focus on the Impact Filter forms. I'm really pleased with it and unfortunately I don't have the contact information here, but I think you have Ari's email.

Dean: I think I have an email.

Dan: Ari's company is Less Doing and I think it's LessDoing/ImpactFilter or something like that. I'm not sure, because if it's not right you won't get to it.

Dean: Right. Right. Right.

Dan: But if you have it right there, I'm sorry.

Dean: No, that's okay.

Dan: I didn't know we were going to talk about this.

Dean: I didn't either, we never know what we're going to talk about. I'm so intrigued with how much we can actually do with just our voice, do with just talking. If there's a way to, "Hey Siri schedule an Impact Filter." That would be a good first step.

Dan: That would be a really great first step. I have a very extensive religious background as many people know. I grew up in a very, very deeply involved Catholic family in the 1940s, 50s. But I always remember the first words of the bible and the bible said, "In the beginning was the word." It didn't say, "In the beginning God took out the garbage."

Dean: In the beginning was the word, that's right.

Dan: In the beginning was the word. That's lasted for a long time. That's lasted for a long time. There's some question about whether it means word as we understand it, but we know word is logos, the surviving version of the bible is written in Greek and logos, L-O-G-O-S can be thought or word and which actually serves the purposes doubly well because if it's a word that's a thought it's even more powerful.

Dean: Wow. Well I like this. I'm going to get on that and by the time we have our next call I will have experienced an Impact Filter.

Dan: To be fair I hit it cold. I did no pre-thinking or brainstorming.

Dean: You had an idea of what the project was that you wanted.

Dan: Yeah, I had an idea, but her questioning really developed it in my mind. I just let her questioning. I know the format of the Impact Filter, so I know what each of the boxes means. But I just threw myself into her command of the situation. Then I was so happy, so happy with the situation. I can just see my future freed up by doing it. Anyway. I was thinking about the sharp difference between Cloudlandia. Your definition of the two realms we live in Cloudlandia and the Mainland. I was thinking about it in terms that I have confirmation this week that technology has now become so normal that it's no longer interesting.

Dean: That's true.

Dan: That's my statement that things have become normal when they're no longer interesting. You go to a movie, and you contrast your experience of a movie in 2019 with someone going to a very, very rough cut black and white, no sound movie in 1919.

Dean: A hundred years.

Dan: That's absolutely amazing, I am so blown away. We go to the movie and I know you're a great evaluator of movies because I've received some evaluations. You come out and you say, "A lot of metal, a lot of metal in there."

Dean: That's true.

Dan: Yep, yep, yep. Boy that really shows you how long an hour and 40 minutes can be. I was thinking and my proof of it is that if you compare 10 years ago to where we are right now it would be people that I would call the Titans of Cloudlandia and I'll mention five of them. The companies are Facebook. It would be Facebook, it would be Apple, it would be Amazon, it would be Google. That would probably do it for the time being. Then you had some real hotshots like Elon Musk with Tesla and everything like that. If you compared their stature today compared with 10 years ago, their stature is much lower today, the reason being is they were seen as cultural heroes.

These were pathfinders, these were mapping out new territory. Each of them has either has corporately or individually and in some cases both, really hit rough waters where people are saying, "I don't really trust these people. I don't really trust these people. I don't even know if they're working on doing good things for me or they're doing it." I think of them all, probably Facebook with Zuckerberg has taken the biggest beating and I think Elon Musk simply because he was promising certain breakthroughs and they weren't happening. Then Apple had their first bad, bad quarter with selling iPhones and people saying, "Well maybe we've reached the peak now." Google got involved and revealed that they're creating this super surveillance system for totalitarian country China. It's got interesting and my sense is the reason why we don't need them as heroes anymore is because the technology has become normal.

Dean: Well I think that ties in with what we were talking about last week actually. I was saying how Steve Jobs was ushering, he got so much more credit than his successor because it was all so new, brand new. It was 1,000 songs in my pocket, wow. That was so brand new, then the internet on my phone, incredible. All these things were just the advancement of technology was really as I mentioned riding the exponential wave. The steepest rocket-ship part of it and now that we've reached the thing, internet 1,000 songs in your pocket is just quaint now.

Dan: That seems like a howing doesn't it? Getting all those songs down on your iPhone, that seems like a lot of work.

Dean: Exactly. Now it's like you get to the point in 2019 where every song ever written available instantly on every device for free conjured by my voice, that's where we're at now. You're right, it's so normal. There's no room, there's no exponential improvement there. I think you're onto something there, with the technology.

Dan: Well what really struck me was the Jeff Bezos stories from the last week with his divorce. He made a tremendous amount of money because of Cloudlandia. Even though Amazon delivers Mainland products, the real secret in how he's able to do that is really Cloudlandia. But the one thing I do know from actual personal experience, that divorce is totally a Mainland experience.

Dean: That's true.

Dan: He and his wife, and I had not even been conscious of her before. If you had asked me two weeks ago who's Jeff Bezos wife? I said, "Well first of all, I didn't really know he was married. Secondly I certainly didn't know who she was." Everything I've heard about her and read a little bit about her she seems to be an extraordinarily smart, talented, capable person who was from my mind when I read the story was as instrumental in him getting started with Amazon 24 year ago as Babs was to me when I started Strategic Coach. I've often said if I didn't have the partnership with Babs, there's no way I could have ever created Strategic Coach. I have a feeling from the description that he probably wouldn't have created Amazon without his wife McKenzie.

Dean: Right.

Dan: This Mainland stuff divorce, divorce courts, divorce settlements, those are not Cloudlandia experiences. The big question now becomes does she own half of his share? He owns a big whack of Amazon, does she own half of it?

Dean: 16% he owns.

Dan: That's right, then if you check the sofa after they stand up you'll find all sorts of other loose change from that marriage.

Dean: Right.

Dan: What I really am struck with that the geniuses of Cloudlandia seem to be having very, very tough Mainland experiences over the last year or two. It just shows you the reality of both realms, but they're very different realms.

Dean: Yeah. It's really an interesting exercise to think that through. I'm wondering now where are the next 10 years of what's now on that exponential curve. I think we're starting to see, I think a lot of that is in medicine and longevity.

Dan: Longevity.

Dean: I think that's really the thing where we're going now with DNA and genetic testing and interventions and that kind of science. Where it's just going to advance.

Dan: I think the medicine one got set back a little bit with the thing because it turned out that it was all a scam to begin with. There was no reality to it. I expect there to be hype when someone has a new thing, but with this one, there's books coming out on it. There's going to be severe legal penalties on the people who were most involved, who can be proven to be most involved including her. Pulling the wool over people's eyes and getting lots and lots of money from doing it. I think that sort of thing sets things back a little bit because people are more hesitant to invest in it. People are more doing it, but the thing with the take the blood you could do a complete blood analysis, it was such a compelling offer that people didn't need the convincing proof.

Dean: Yeah, that's exactly right. It seemed viable. It seemed like of course that's where we're headed. I think ultimately that is where we're headed. But she wasn't there yet.

Dan: Because I'm hard to get blood out of and it's a bit grueling when I go in for blood draws because it takes a very gifted practitioner.

Dean: Yeah, I'm the same way.

Dan: What are they called? Phlebotomist.

Dean: Phlebotomist.

Dan: I've reduced Olympic class phlebotomist to tears.

Dean: You have veins of steel, carbon.

Dan: Yeah they're saying, "This has never happened to me before in my life. This is after they've hit me about five times and they haven't drawn blood yet.

Dean: Oh no.

Dan: Anyway, it's really interesting, but more and more I'm beginning to see and I think my reading of the other great breakthroughs like railroads, the great breakthroughs. The electrical grid has spread over . We look back as single breakthroughs, but they actually happened over 30, 40 years and there were scams and there were hucksters and there were huge failures and everything like that. My feeling is that there is an unnatural amount of intolerance today that when there's a breakthrough, it's a complete breakthrough and everything works with the breakthrough, and yet all the other breakthroughs that really created our modern world took quite a bit of time and there was a fair amount of intolerance. In some cases one step forward two steps behind, two steps backwards.

Dean: Two steps back.

Dan: There were scams, and the people who were the great breakthrough heroes were despicable human beings in many ways. They weren't nice people. I think that the expectations about our age and how fast things can happen and how completely a transformation can take place, I think that there's a lot of magical thinking attached to that. There's no common sense to it.

Dean: I think you're right. I think if you do fast forward though 10 years, I think it will be like you said normal. There will be a lot more things that are normal. It feels like the self-driving cars have slowed down a little bit from the timeline of what they were expecting as far as integration into the world. I think within, certainly in 10 years we'll have a complete picture of what that's going to be like.

Dan: Yeah, here's my prediction though about self-driving cars. In 20 years what do you call every car presently in the city of Toronto being replaced by self-driving cars. What do you call that reality 20 years from now? You call that a self-driving traffic jam.

Dean: A self-driving traffic jam, that's funny. I think you're probably right, self-driving gridlock.

Dan: Self-driving gridlock because for the life of me I don't know how they could go faster given the availability of space and the laws of gravity. I just can't comprehend. People say when they have self-driving cars everything is going to go much faster. I said, "Well what if there's just as many and the streets are all the streets that we still have available. How are things going to go faster?"

Dean: I think there's something to that because what's not going to change is the Mainland desire of going to the same places at the same time. Everybody is going to want to go from their work to their home at the same time when all the gridlock happens right now.

Dan: Yeah, and I'm truly struck because we're kind of canny and the big thing is I haven't really been . We drive to the office in the morning and come home at night. I can't remember the last time we were in a significant traffic jam. You might have added 10 minutes to the trip going either distance, but not an hour like when things are really jammed up and everything else. It's just you pick your times because I don't drive myself, either Babs is driving or the limousine drivers are driving. I've got an unusually good ability to find alleyways that nobody knows about or, "If you just go through this parking lot you're going to miss two lights." The parking lot is open at both ends. Because they can't tell whether you were actually parked or not because everything has the meters now, the electronic meters. I can just drive through a block wide parking lot. Usually there's nobody in the booths anymore because it's all electronic, so we can do it. Then you've got Waze, or Wage?

Dean: Waze.

Dan: You have Waze, so you have really smart humans with Waze. They still know how to do the trick. The other thing is we've noticed that when something is really busy and Google tells us how to go another way, Google is always really stupid.

Dean: Oh is that right? It doesn't make sense?

Dan: Yeah, because sometimes if you go away from the direction you want to go in you can find a much better route. By senses a self-driving car won't be any smarter than any other self-driving car.

Dean: Yeah, I think you're right. Exactly. There's no intuition or insider knowledge. You're right, that's human ingenuity is what that is.

Dan: Yeah, and then somebody said, "There's going to be flying cars, we'll be able to fly them." I said, "Yeah." Right now there's a clamp down on drones in the city of Toronto, you can't drive drones. Why would you be able to drive a flying car if they're not allowing drones? They're doing it for security reasons.

Dean: Yes.

Dan: You can't get near airports, major airports with drones and everything like that. These are all Mainland. I'm just since I've been talking to you about this Dean and I've just been thrilled with my enhanced what I would say appreciation of Mainland, Mainland issues.

Dean: Yes. It's a fun exercise to really think about things in that distinction. I find it just my natural way of looking and seeing: what's actually the Mainland portion of this and what's the Cloudlandia portion of it? There's so many efficiencies if you just realize how little of most situations require Mainland intervention or require Mainland stuff. In fact, it's a fun thing especially when you start now layering in that no matter what happens there's not going to be any advancements in what we actually have available time-wise because we still have a hundred Jacksons every day to work with.

Dan: Yeah, and I think the enhancement of individual productivity is where the real breakthroughs are going to take place.

Dean: Right. Almost like the flywheel effect of what you're able to do.

Dan: Like the thing you just pulled off with Siri basically being the project manager for your automatic podcast. That's an enhancement of Dean Jackson's individual creativity and productivity that seems to me a huge breakthrough. My feeling is that there are infinite extendable possibilities of that type of breakthrough that you have.

Dean: Yeah, it's the domino thing. You can set up this chain of events that these episodes that I'm recording there are so far about five to 10 minutes, unique individual thoughts. I'm already thinking ahead of what I've been doing with what we lovingly call the MOO method, Multiplied Oral Output. That as soon as it goes up to iTunes it's automatically now digitized. To be able to take that audio and turn it into articles that then get automatically posted on Medium and LinkedIn and Facebook and my blog where it's all these cascading things that can happen as a result of me just saying, "Hey Siri let's podcast." That's all I have to do. It's pretty fascinating what we're able to accomplish there.

Dan: But the one factor is that humans because we live in the Mainland, we're always trying to beat the game. Some of us are because the constrictions of Mainland are much more fully engaged restrictions. We feel them emotionally, we feel them physically, they take place in real time and everything like that. Where digital can actually suck us in, the digital world. We can be doing really neat things, but in fact we're not being productive or creative. They've got us intellectually engaged, but meanwhile nothing that the real world would consider useful or valuable is actually taking place.

Dean: Yes. I'm at the point now Dan where I'm really considering just letting go of my schedule and having everything be scheduled through someone else. I'd love, I know you have that situation at least, we've sort of talked about it before. But does everything that you do, all the things that are scheduled, go through not Anna now, but Carolyn.

Dan: Carolyn. Yeah, Carolyn. Then I have projects schedulers who will take my schedule result and then check in. Carolyn is the scheduler control. But there are other people, like Cathy Davis, Elanora Mancini, and Vickman,  who is my new podcast manager. I'll say to them, "Schedule me three sessions on Zoom over the next three weeks." They say, "Okay, we'll do that," but they cannot put it in the schedule, they have to check with schedule control. By saying that I know it's going to happen and everything. I have not done any personal scheduling myself now for about five years. On free days we're up at the cottage and we're going to have dinner with somebody or we're going to have them over, that sort of thing doesn't go in the schedule because you're on free days.

The people you're talking to are 10 minutes away or 15 minutes away. Those scheduling type of things. But anything related to back in Toronto or Chicago, that all is handled by another scheduler. My sense is you do it this way just to get your comfort levels up with it. Either you pick a time period like over a two week time-period; I'm just going to have a scheduler schedule everything that needs to happen during that two weeks and they will tell me when to show up. I'll be told by that person when to show up. Just check it out for two weeks. Don't do things big, do things small because everybody's got different comfort levels on this. The other thing is, you've already had the experience of having one experience completely scheduled 12 months out, which is our project here.

Dean: Yeah, and the more of those that I have, like my podcasts are all scheduled out like that. I know where, I just say these are the dates, I just looked in my calendar and I know that this time is where I'm doing it and I see the name of the guest or who's on the podcast with me. I just show up and do that. All of that scheduling is done. But I think this is why what I'm considering is every piece of scheduling going through that process. I think that is the next step for me, I think.

Dan: I think that I've got a certain tolerance for things going wrong, where they actually improved the system, something wasn't quite nailed down and it goes wrong. It goes wrong and what I do is I say, "Okay, let's sit down and talk about that. Why didn't we nail it down? What was it about our not nailing it down." Then it always improves. There's redundancy built in, there's double checking, checking back and forth with it. I found that I'm not OC about this, I'm not obsessive-compulsive about it. I would say in a year it's about at least 95% good, the system works. Sometimes there's a little lack of clarity, something was done too quickly or it was done in passing and somebody didn't get the information, but then you just tighten it up so that the next year it's better with respect to that situation.

Dean: That's encouraging, because I really realized that it would be better for me to have it that way. I really like looking for ways to fully embrace it. Because nothing is getting on my schedule that I don't want to do, but right now my current system is that I'm missing out on things that I do want to do because it wasn't planned ahead of time. I think if I had that, things would be more condensed. I'd be able to get more in the opportunities that I have. I think that's what happens when you get to a point where you're doing bigger things. You've got more things going on.

Dan: Well when you're getting joy out of bigger things, your resentment of smaller things goes up.

Dean: Right. That's a good point too. That's exactly right.

Dan: If you didn't have a bigger goal, the nickel and dime things you were doing weren't really bothering you because they're not taking you from a bigger result. They're not stopping you, but once you have a bigger result in mind, then these little annoyances actually they get a lot bigger in your mind.

Dean: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.

Dan: And your irritation. Yeah, it's funny. I have a thought and I wanted to bounce it off you because the other day we were driving to the office and we turned onto the street where our parking lot is and there was a guy with winter clothing on and he's walking right down the middle of the driving lane with his back to us and he's got earphones on and he's reading his iPhone. Babs is quick, she goes to her terminator list like Arnold Schwarzenegger does to pick a name to actually call him. I said, "No. No. No. I think he's competing for the Darwin Award this year. He's in training for it now." The Darwin Award is that you would sacrifice your life in a foolish action so that the rest of the human race can get smarter, that's the Darwin Award, Charles Darwin. Right as we were parking I said, "You know in life there's two choices, you're either the learner or you're the lesson."

Dean: I love it.

Dan: We had three people in the car and they said, "Oh that's a great one liner. I just wanted to put you out there. I prefer not to be the lesson in life; I prefer to be the learner in life. I'm learning from other people's lessons. You don't want to be a cautionary tale.

Dean: That's true. That's true.

Dan: Oh he's a cautionary tale.

Dean: That's funny.

Dan: That was it, it was just a thought that I had captured and I wanted to bounce it off of you.

Dean: These are good times Dan. It's really like I just got this great sense of things, the next 10 years are going to be so exciting in every way. All the things that we're doing, I see my mind shifting even just in our first not quite year in the Game Changer Program. Even that shift of venture collaboration.

Dan: Yeah, and that's why I come back to where the breakthroughs are going to be now. We were talking about a certain age of technology has come. Now it's not as exciting and interesting as it was. I think that the key here is that actually productivity as a whole has not gone up as a result of the high technology, the multiplier technology. I think the reason is because people are still adjusting to it in a negative way, maybe that's why there's this negativity towards the Titans of the Universe, the big heroes. But my feeling is now that the great breakthroughs of technology are not going to be in Cloudlandia, the great breakthroughs of Cloudlandia are going to be in the Mainland.

Dean: I think you're right. I agree with that 100%, because that's where all of these things are in place. All of the framework, everything, the big pieces are all in place in Cloudlandia, we're not missing anything with that. But there's lots of opportunity to bridge to actually get the things done on the Mainland using all of the technologies available in Cloudlandia.

Dan: Yeah, and it's very interesting because one of the biggest predictions that has been made continually is how machines are going to obsolete human beings. That's been a major theme now for the last 10 years, but the US actually employment is way up in the last two years. It's not just coincidental with Trump. I think it's because of Trump, but the biggest increase in employment has been at the bottom of the employment pyramid, it's been blue color, it's been manufacturing, it's been everything. I think the reason is it's because that had been badly stripped away by technology. But those who remain now are getting the benefit of technology, certainly in the manufacturing sector, there's tremendous breakthroughs where 60 people can now produce what 600 people produced 20 years ago. But there's hundreds of new possibilities for that happening, which would generate new employment, not getting rid of old employment.

I think old employment had been stripped away as far as it was going to go. Now with the addition of humans and teamwork you're going to see a huge jump in blue color and people actually know how to get things done. Not the theorists, but the practicers, the people who actually practice. I think you're going to see a huge productivity gains among people that actually know how to get things done. That's maybe where we should you and I on the Joy of Procrastination because we are going to take advantage of every single new thing that frees us from having to do something.

Dean: Absolutely.

Dan: That frees us from having to do something.

Dean: You're absolutely right.

Dan: I'm a procrastinator and I'm proud of it.

Dean: Here's to many more years of procrastination.

Dan: Here's to a lifetime of more and more unlikely transformative procrastination.

Dean: That's great. Well, I think we've said it all Dan.

Dan: We said as much as we could say during one hour.

Dean: I think you're right. Yet there's always more.

Dan: Yeah.

Dean: I'm excited about the way things are going. I will dig in, find the process for me to do an Impact Filter.

Dan: I'll have that report. I'll have that sent to you tomorrow morning because Carolyn will know it. First thing in the morning I'll have her send the link so that you can do it.

Dean: Okay.

Dan: My particular facilitator's name is Jo-Ann and I thought she was superb, just to let you know.

Dean: Okay. Great. Well then I'll ask for Jo-Ann if that's possible.

Dan: Okay.

Dean: I look forward to it. I'll be back with my report. Thanks Dan, I'll talk to you soon.

Dan: Okay. Bye.

Dean: Bye.